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   05-04-2007, 7:30 AM
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Alice in Objectivist Land: the Intervention
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This narrative follows Alice in Objectivist Land, Part 10. It picks up immediately after the end of that segment.  The Judge has just given his final instructions to the jury, and told them to retire and consider their verdict.



Suddenly, a voice cried out from the back of the courtroom, loud and firm, though not untouched by age.  "Wait!" it cried.  I must address the jury!  They need further instructions."

 

The judge struck his gavel and shouted  "Order!  Both sides have rested; only the judge may now address the jury."  Then he peered more closely at the speaker, and the anger in his face turned to recognition and would-be friendliness. 

 

"You may approach and explain your request, sir, but please address this court as "Your Honor."

 

The old man made his way up the center aisle, stopping by the front row of seats.  He moved swiftly and purposefully, though his face showed the marks of age--surely something well over seventy.  His hair, carelessly long but effortlessly attractive, was snow white, although his eyebrows were still streaked with chestnut brown.  Beneath them, from within the folds of age, green eyes flashed out with undimmed brilliance.  As he stopped, he reached behind himself, under his jacket.  Before anyone could guess his purpose, his hand was out, holding an Army Colt .45 pistol, leveled at the judge.

 

"Your Honor," he said, making the title a curse, "You deserve to be shot down like a mad dog!"

 

Oddly, the courtroom did not erupt in panic.  The spectators watched the gunman calmly, showing no fear of this man.  A couple of them actually nodded approvingly.  His pistol, some now noticed, was an expensive, highly customized model, with a lustrous blue-green finish.  He handled it with expert ease.

 

Several of the cardsmen leveled their spears and prepared to attack.  But the man kept his pistol trained on the judge and shouted "Tell the guards to lay down their spears!"

 

Instantly, the judge yelled "Do it!  Lay down your spears!"  The cardsmen complied.

 

The man turned to the prosecutor, and said "Doctor, you get up there by the judge, so I can keep an eye on you both."  Dr. P. quickly did as he was told.

 

As the situation came under his control, the man relaxed slightly.  "I still can hardly believe it," he said.  "Force, initiated in the name of 'protecting the community.'  Here in Objectivist Land!  Is it ever possible to have a government that doesn't become corrupt?"

 

His anger rose within him again.  "YOU INITIATED FORCE!" he roared at the judge and prosecutor.  "These defendants never lifted a finger against anyone, and you hauled them in here at spearpoint and put them on trial for their lives!  Do you even remember anything she said about people like you?  Let me remind you:

 

One does not and cannot 'negotiate' with brutality, nor give it the benefit of the doubt.  The moral absolute should be: if and when, in any dispute, one side initiates the use of physical force, that side is wrong--and no consideration or discussion of the issues is necessary or appropriate.

 

"Do you understand?  Your actions put you on the wrong side of a moral absolute!  That's it, you're wrong, discussion over.  You deserve to be shot, and it's pretty likely to happen.  But luckily for you, I have this long habit of making speeches, and I'm going to explain all the ways you people are completely wrong. So with good behavior, you'll live at least long enough to hear it.   

 

"Just don't make me take this out again," he said, returning his pistol to its carrier.

 

"First, let's look at this alleged crime.  The defendants are accused of harboring wrong thoughts that may damage the community.  They aren't charged with actually damaging it, mind you, just with posing a threat.  So this is a preemptive prosecution.  You're trying the defendants now because they might do damage in the future.

 

"Now I take threats seriously, and I don't completely rule out the idea of preemption.  But there's a big burden of justification on the preemptor, I'd say, because you have to balance a "maybe in the future," the thing you're preempting, against a "definitely happening now," which is whatever action you take against the threat.  If your preemptive strategy involves initiating force now, it can only be justified by a virtually 100% certainty that you are preventing a gravely damaging use of force planned by your enemy.  Such certainty would require knowing explicitly that your enemy possessed the means to use force against you, was motivated to do so, and had in fact made firm plans to do so in the near future.  Were you on trial for initiating force preemptively, as you should be, your defense would need to show evidence of the possession of dangerous armaments by your alleged enemy, and clear documentary evidence or direct testimony indicating clear, unmistakable, certain, and definite intent to use force against you.

 

"Of course, in the proceeding that has just taken place, no such evidence has been produced, or even hinted at, with regard to the defendants, against whom you have nonetheless initiated force.  Instead, the prosecution’s theory is that if the defendant's dangerous ideas flourish in Objectivist Land, they might someday lead to the rise of tyrannical forces that would threaten innocent life.  So, in the name of a 'might someday,' a possibility in the future at the end of a long string of causation with uncertainty every step of the way, the people of Objectivist Land are asked to tolerate tyranny now.  If we do, your probable bad opinion of us would be justified.

 

"What bad opinion?  I submit that you must think at least one of the following propositions is true: that Objectivism isn't very rational, and is therefore vulnerable to competition from other ideologies, or else that the people of Objectivist Land are not very rational, and are therefore, despite possessing studied knowledge of the true ideas of Objectivism, quite likely to abandon them for false ideas.  The only other possibility is that you are not rational.

 

“The last possibility strikes me as quite likely, though.  I'm not sure you are actually motivated by a desire to preempt damage, because serious damage seems so unlikely.  What evidence is there that the defendant's beliefs could cause a stampede of defections from Objectivism?  No such evidence has been introduced.  If they cause any defections, the number is likely to be few.  So the damage to other community members, if any, would be slight and diffuse.  The individuals who 'defect' may suffer damage, if they are falling into error, but that is their own choice and no one else's concern.  I suspect this prosecution is actually motivated by irrational feelings by the leadership that they 'own' and 'control' the inhabitants of Objectivist Land, like cult leaders feel they 'own' and 'control' their followers. They seem to me to be acting like the 'defections' of any individuals would be personal losses to them.  Perhaps this corruption relates to the ways they financially benefit or lose as the popularity of Objectivism increases or decreases.

 

"In sum, the matter is simple.  Whatever your actual motives are, you claim you are preempting damage.  But absent a scintilla of evidence that the defendants planned to use force, your preemptive use of force against them is not justified, and therefore criminal.  That is the first way you are wrong, and it's more than bad enough, but the others are worse.

 

"The second way you are wrong is that you are taking to yourself the tyrannical power to tell the free, sovereign individuals of Objectivist Land whom they may freely associate with, and what speech they may hear.  This is a gross violation of the rights that a good polity must recognize as proper for the flourishing life of free individuals.  While you rationalize with badly conceived theories of hypothetical harm the defendants may do, you ignore the possible benefits individuals might realize through association with them.  For example, we know that Frog has recently starved to death, due to a less-than-optimum relation of his concepts to reality.  Our visitor was offering helpful observations which might have materially aided him; she and her friends might do the same for others.  So the innocent people of Objectivist Land, who are accused of nothing, are damaged by this prosecution, by the abridgement of their rights, and by the consequent loss of opportunity for mutually-beneficial free interaction. 

 

"But the worst part is not the abridgement of rights, or the loss of opportunity for benefit, damaging as these are. The worst part is your evident belief that you can and should exercise power in the way you are, for the reasons you give. You are telling the people of Objectivist Land that they cannot listen to the defendant’s ideas and make up their own minds.  You are therefore seeking to substitute your reason for the reason of other individuals.  Even if you happened to be right, rational individuals absolutely cannot allow you to do that.  Let me quote from an old speech, that I think some here still remember... " He glanced around the room, his eyes meeting those of some of the older spectators.

 

Truth is the recognition of reality; reason, man's only means of knowledge, is his only standard of truth.

 

The most depraved sentence you can now utter is to ask: Whose reason?  The answer is: Yours.  No matter how vast your knowledge or how modest, it is your own mind that has to acquire it.  It is only with your own knowledge that you can deal.  It is only your own knowledge that you can claim to possess or ask others to consider.  Your mind is your only judge of truth--and if others dissent from your verdict, reality is the court of final appeal.  Nothing but a man's mind can perform that complex, delicate, crucial process of identification which is thinking.  Nothing can direct that process but his own judgment.  Nothing can direct his judgment but his moral integrity.

 

You who speak of a 'moral instinct' as if it were some separate endowment opposed to reason--man's reason is his moral faculty.

 

"You subvert reason when you seek to force men to accept the substitution of your judgment for theirs.  In so doing you subvert morality.  What you do is the very essence of evil.

 

"Look at the results of other prosecutions like these.  Persons of brilliance, who should flourish and produce with unfettered creativity as free men, are made by fear of sanction into shadows of their true selves, ultimately suspicious and frightened of every thought, afraid they will suffer for being seen to associate with whatever the orthodox will see fit to proscribe.  Meanwhile, other twisted, unethical men are handed a weapon: they can slyly lay intellectual traps containing disguised 'error,' bringing punishment down on opponents who do not perceive their schemes.  This brings us to consideration of the third and by far the worst way that what this trial is doing is wrong: this trial seeks to criminalize thought!

 

“Why has all the prosecution's evidence been testimony about the 'wrong' content of the defendant's beliefs?  Why has there been no testimony to demonstrate their purported harmfulness?  Because that theory of harm is just rationalization, and rationalizations are by definition not provable, and never can stand serious examination.  In the prosecution's eyes, the 'wrong belief' is the crime, and the rationalization was just part of the process.  It just wasn't important to them to try to justify their unjustifiable actions.  The main thing was to punish the thought they didn't like.

 

It's what people like them have always done.  The long history of human life on earth is a history of almost unrelieved despotism, men held as serfs, or slaves, or 'free' but only at the pleasure of their rulers and priests.  How many were tortured and burned, explicitly for 'wrong belief?'  How often was genius, like Galileo, forced to public denial of what they knew to be true?  How many centuries of suffering preceded the great Western Enlightenment, in which an explosion of scientific progress, enabling the industrial revolution that finally raised human life out of the muck, resulted when men's minds were finally freed of the yoke of church and state?  It was not for nothing that Thomas Jefferson pledged "eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Jefferson knew exactly what had been gained, and how it might again be lost.

 

The point was well made in that old speech I mentioned so let me quote two more passages from it:

 

If man is to live on earth, it is right for him to use his mind, it is right to act on his own free judgment, it is right to work for his values and keep the product of his work.  If life on earth is his purpose, he has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational.  Any group, any gang, any nation that that attempts to negate man's rights, is wrong, which means: is evil, which means: is anti-life.

. . .

But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man's deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right of the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense.

 

"I stand here armed, in this thing that must be cleansed before it will be fit again to be called a court, to provide emergency aid to these victims of the deadly disaster of criminal government.  You, who would banish or kill them, have chosen death.  You are hereby banished, by me, and if I see you again in Objectivist Land, I will grant you the death you have chosen." 


The men banished seemed to be struck dumb.  The judge sat with his arms raised in front of his face as if cringing from blows; Dr. P. stood slack and still, his face as white as a ghost.

 

He turned to the defendants.  "Miss Blumenthal, Mr. Hatter, and Your Majesty," he said, inclining his head slightly in friendly acknowledgement of the honorary rank of the Red Queen, "I would be honored if you would accompany me to my home, where I will try with my hospitality to amend some of the assaults Objectivist Land has offered you." 

 

He raised his voice to the room.  "All my friends are invited!"  A chorus of assent answered him, and the defendants headed for the door under the protection of a crowd of well-wishers.

 

But when he was about to go out the door, the man stopped and turned.  "I almost forgot!" he exclaimed.  "My instructions for the jury!"

 

He cupped his hands to his mouth, and smiling, shouted "GO HOME!"  Then he turned and was gone.

 

The courtroom behind him was a scene of pandemonium.  Spectators, cardsmen, and jury members were all jostling about, exclaiming about the events or trying to get to an exit.  Up on his bench, the judge was pounding his gavel and trying vainly to regain control.

 

"Order! Order!" he shouted.  "Jury Members!  Return to your seats!  I instruct you to disregard…all the words of John Galt!"

 

 


 

 

 

 

quote references

 

1. Ayn Rand,  "Brief Comments," The Objectivist, March 1969,1, quoted in The Ayn Rand Lexicon, "Physical Force."

2. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, Plume paperback edition, p. 1017.

3. Ibid., pp. 1061, 1062.


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   05-04-2007, 12:02 PM
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I like this, DonQuixote. Can I copy it and post it, or do you want to post it, on my messageboard, at the end of where I posted the story?

I wonder, do you think the United States was wrong for initiating force against Iraq?

Also, I was going to include this in the main story but when Rand said that reality is the final arbiter, sometimes that reality can be the very thing in question. Perception is not infallible, and reason is not infallible. Yes, sometimes we can be certain enough to take a stand, to kill or be killed, but we should realize this is our choice, our stand, not just our subjugation to another god, reason.

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   05-04-2007, 6:48 PM
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Anyone is hereby free to copy "The Intervention," for non-commercial use, provided it is not altered and is made available in it's entirty, includes an authorial credit for "DonQuixote99," and including a link back to this page as the original souorce.  BTW, anyone who copied it befoe the time of this message may want to copy it again, as I have made some slight edits.

Yes, Nick, I opposed the Iraq invasion consistently, both for the sorts of reasons mentioned here, and because I regarded it as aggression for expected national advantage.  We seem to think aggression is immoral when others do it.....

Fair point about the falibility of perception and reason.  John Galt is pretty confident of his position, but it's always possible that  the evidence that seems lacking will materialize....

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   05-05-2007, 9:40 AM
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Actually, when you think about it, the problems of 'making reason a god' are avoided by staying rational about things, right?  In other words, be devoted to reason, but not unreasonably so.

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   05-05-2007, 10:39 AM
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Right, I've heard one philosopher advise that we use all our truth tests but keep in mind that we could still be dead wrong, and, in that, we could be right. I also said, at the end of my essay on perception, logic, and language, to treat reason and logic like drugs and alcohol, we can use them but shouldn't let them use us.

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   05-07-2007, 9:04 AM
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that ending was great don!  i was captivated until the end (and i guessed it was john galt as soon as he pulled out that .45 haha).

in relation to your ending, how do you feel about drug laws, drinking and driving laws, concealed weapons laws, etc. that incriminate people before they actually harm someone, but are based on the "likelihood" that said criminal will hurt someone.  me personally, i don't agree with drug laws.  i think they create more problems (and more severe problems) than they could ever hope to solve.  but drinking and driving laws i'm all for.  i think people should have the right to carry weapons and i don't think the government has the right to know about it.  i have more input but no more time, i'll try to post more about this later.


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   05-07-2007, 7:40 PM
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Josh, thanks for the feedback.  Sounds like I met all my goals in your case: I entertained you AND gave you something to think about. :)

Agree completely on the policy points.  Individual freedom unless the danger to others is overwhelming, as with DWI.

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