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06-13-2007, 3:11 PM johndoefus Joined on 06-09-2007 Posts 8 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism OK OK - it is ALL about YOU!!  I will never understand liberals. They are the most hypocritical beings on this earth. I think you must have been raised by some pretty sleezy holiwood types.    Report

06-14-2007, 1:26 PM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism How did you know? I am a product of hollywood elite. We know best for the rest of the world. We tell you even when you haven't asked.    Report

06-15-2007, 9:05 PM johndoefus Joined on 06-09-2007 Posts 8 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism You apitimize the words of Ayn Rand herself on homsecuality. DISGUSTING!!!    Report

06-18-2007, 1:21 PM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism Ayn Rand was a facist. Her views on homosexuality, although correct, are ignored today. It is all about ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ....... just like every other liberal leftist poster on this board. LIVE FOR ONESELF! We sound so cool.    Report

06-19-2007, 4:34 PM johndoefus Joined on 06-09-2007 Posts 8 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism At least you are an honest liberal!  And that is the exception.    Report

06-21-2007, 6:34 PM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism Homos are changing our culture. Those damn radical Islamists hate homos with a passion. Liberals say - let's find out why the terrorists don't like us and try to get along......well, it is because they view our general society as accepting what Ayn Rand said was "a perversion". Any of you intellectual fellow queers want to dispute this? I don't think so. You live in a friggin make believe world with the likes of Ted Kennedy and Hillary "pants suit" Clinton.    Report

06-21-2007, 7:58 PM Erik C. Christensen Joined on 12-08-2005 Posts 13 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism Rand was correct about homosexuality; it IS a deviation from human nature. Personally, I don't care wether one is homosexual or not. However, Objectivism upholds the law of identity, i.e. A is A. It does not benefit humans (or even animals) to behave contrary to their inherent nature. In order to live a fully rationaly happy life it is necessary to understand what it means to be a human being by our nature and to put those virtues and attributes into action via reason.    Report

06-22-2007, 9:03 AM Mr Squiggle Joined on 04-04-2007 Posts 35 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism I haven't been back to this board for some time, precisely because of the dribble that you idiots are posting here.  It is not just me either - a lot of decent, intellectually curious people come to this board to discuss issues in an adult way, and they get turned away by this.  Humpty, you should be ashamed by what you and your alter egos have done here.  You can register as many user names as you want, it is still obvious from your lack of intelligence that it is the same pathetic human being sitting in front of the screen and typing on the keys.  Or, actually, is it not a human but really an ape? I hope the moderator deletes this discussion thread.  It is the only decent thing to do.    Report

06-23-2007, 10:58 AM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism We need to discuss HOMOSECUALITY if we are to properly normalize the behavior. I want my gay friend to have more legal rights than my straight friend. You see, it is all about being a victim today. Yesterday I visited a very good zoo in San Diego. You could tell the animal kingdom is well beneath humans, because I did not see one queer animal in the entire zoo!! Now we know the truth......if you are not homosecular, you must be a low life animal. What is your opinion?     Report

06-23-2007, 5:27 PM orbit Joined on 06-24-2007 Posts 4 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism This discussion is anything but "General". Can we talk about something else now?    Report

06-23-2007, 10:40 PM johndoefus Joined on 06-09-2007 Posts 8 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism This is a great subject! This "liberalandgay" poster has a great mind. It may be tongue and cheek, but it is an entertaining thread with solid ties to Ayn Rand and her legacy. It is about time this issue gets some objective attention.    Report

06-25-2007, 8:19 AM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism My aids are in the final stages. Pnuemonia will cause my death. My life was one of self indulgence and relativism. Now I realize the words of Jesus was the truth: Have no other God before Me, and Love your neighbor. Run from the selfish gay lifestyle and be saved!     Report

07-05-2007, 6:28 PM David George DeLancey Joined on 07-06-2007 Posts 48 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism Sexuality hym Sex uality ual or ality meaning thought or theory,David George DeLancey her all i have to say is from the expeirience of thought and acuality of basic exsercise, Theory one the Roman period lets say for at a spesific time thats what i was thinking after a thought of when this excersice might have a been just a period in time perhaps it was for the most of a large city for the reason why i thought of the roman times Sex a tool formulated in different ways a female has a degree through sex in a way different of a man though is preaty darn close a woman for instence moves a bit differently especialy from the sitting possition and the useage of the legs , now if performed by the male with the woman's consent this likeyhood could go on for quite some time , perhaps changing the fromational; style of the man in when if the woman challenges it the back and forth quietly through the aknowledgement and respect of the male the strength perhaps stays upon her for the muscle is for sure needed,i supose David George DeLancey the end 6:27 P.M. e.s.t.cape cod community library , adding extras is always a degree of haveing more or of a challenge.    Report

07-22-2007, 2:09 PM cherrypi Joined on 07-22-2007 Posts 11 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism Could you then explain male love to me? Especially in Atlas Shrugged, Ken and Hank apparently love each other.....what is that? This all seems pointless and contradictory, a waste of time to read, I have read few facts, it is mostly who said this or who said that. What is of higher importance, your own happiness and joy or being suppressed to obtain your happiness because you happen to be homosexual, but to be moral you must pretend you are something you aren't? Ayn is trying to give us things to think about. But also, you have to remember, she did this for herself, not for humanity. She has a lot of philosphies I agree with, but there are some I don't agree with, but that does not make me a person that should not be a supporter. So if what is is, why does it really matter then if someone is homosexual......that's what it is for someone, what is is. Just like there aren't any absolutes...that is what that phrase is, a non-absolute. Also, if Ayn was not Christian and didn't believe in Christianity, someone can not use it for a fact to fight for her idea of homosexuality. Plus this theory needs to be subject to more than being published in a book to be true. It needs to have been tested in experiements numerous times, only repetitive recorded statistics could be used to prove a point. Using quotes from the author and her devoted followers does not make something true from a scientific, objective standpoint. Immoral is based on your beliefs and convictions........it is all about what makes YOU happy. If the person is unhappy being homosexual, then maybe they should think about it. If Ayn doesn't like homosexuality and it is immoral to her, maybe she should avoid it then, not participate in what makes her unhappy. If a person is doing something for the wrong reason, it for them to discover, not anyone else. In Atlas Shrugged, there seems to be a kind of separation of mind and body, Dagny is a railroad executive at time when women didn't seek jobs like that, yet when she was with Hank she liked to submit completly. Those two sides of Dagny is a dualistic compliment! We all the personal, the individual right to our body, it is not any way for society to decide anything concerning our own body.    Report

07-23-2007, 1:56 PM johndoefus Joined on 06-09-2007 Posts 8 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism Cherripi, you make some really good logical points. Let me ask you a question. Do you think Ayn's comments on homosexuality was about the person, or the behavior? You see, I have trouble with the concept that philosophy and morality are one in the same. For instance, is having sex with a five year old justified because it may make one happy? Thanks in advance for your thoughtful response.    Report

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