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05-12-2007, 1:45 PM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism If your ID is "liberalandgay", this board has no problem with what you say. liberal and gay defines 99% of those on this board. the other 1% are candidates for censorship. do any of you liberal asses understand how hypocritical your belief system really is??    Report

05-16-2007, 7:00 PM dv8nxs Joined on 05-16-2007 Posts 12 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism The "Moratorium on Brains" words are the ones always ignored by the religious right advocacy since time began. whats wrong? a lil booty duty make you snooty cutie? why insist trolling homosex provocation when the dead russian lady can't speak for her self?    Report

05-17-2007, 10:48 AM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism gays are defective. gays are arrogant and in denial of their immorality. reason: modern gay advocacy which ignores rand and reality tries to normalize this disgusting behavior.    Report

05-27-2007, 8:38 AM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism What is disgusting about gay sex? It seems to me that I am actually my own GOD and I know what is best for me. That is the essence of liberal thinking. All these people believing in GOD and are against me fulfilling my own boundless desires were definetly not with us hippies in the 60's in San Francisco. Look at all the social ills we cured by dancing with flowers in our hair and how much better we are today. (absent my aids disease)    Report

05-31-2007, 11:21 AM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism I could not disagree more. Once you get aids, it makes you have a completely different view of the world. I suggest everyone queer each other so that the aids virus can continue.    Report

06-04-2007, 8:16 PM Thinker Joined on 06-05-2007 Posts 1 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism Ayn Rand’s views on homosexuality were in fact an expression of her feelings to which she was certainly entitled.  They could not be described, however, as being objective or rational.  They were in fact simply a reaction to an idea she knew nothing about other than it ran contrary to her personal views about sexuality which, in my opinion, were flawed.  It is well for anyone who considers themselves an objective human being to remember that Ayn Rand was not perfect, thankfully rather imperfect, and my guess is to that she herself would easily agree.   I, generally, do not participate in forums.  The reason I do not is that they eventually attract those who are in total disagreement with their underlying premise.  In this case objective thought.  From my reading of this string, Humpty Dumpty qualifies.  The word used in forum and other circles for this type of behavior is; Troll.  Individuals who practice this have only one aim and that is to disrupt the discourse and get attention, a ploy two years olds often use.  The way to handle these individuals is simply to ignore them.  Under no circumstance do they merit response no matter how they ruffle your fur.  If you do so they will soon tire of their game and go elsewhere.   Now that I have that out of the way, allow me to opine.  First I would like to deal with the word “gay”.  It is a label and labels are not conducive to objective thinking. In fact they accomplish just the opposite; they muddle the picture and denigrate the individual as a person.  I am a man who prefers the company of males in all ways and also have good friends who happen to be female, true. I do not question the whys of my choice, although I have in the past only to find it belaboring.  As Popeye said; “I yam what I yam.”.  I need no excuse, wish no exemptions and do not join.  And I don’t really give a rat’s ass what Ayn Rand or anyone thinks about it . . . so there!   My credentials are in my words but I happily supply the following.  I am a 66 year old man living in Thailand joyfully with my 28 year old boyfriend of two years and will in time go up in smoke here while he in his Buddhist way will make merit for us both.    Report

06-05-2007, 6:48 AM Mr Squiggle Joined on 04-04-2007 Posts 35 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism Here here Thinker! I agree with you, in that this conversation has been hijacked.  It had the potential to be an interesting debate on a topic that orthodox objectivisim has tackled satisfactorily, but instead it has turned into a circus that has bored to death anyone with anything interesting to say. Good luck with your bfriend.      Report

06-08-2007, 9:40 PM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism stinker said: I am a 66 year old man living in Thailandjoyfully with my 28 year old boyfriend of two years and will in time go up in smoke here while he in his Buddhist way will make merit for us both. Humpty Dumpty would likely reply: your behavior is disgusting. no getting around it. stinker is a sick old fart.    Report

06-09-2007, 12:00 PM johndoefus Joined on 06-09-2007 Posts 8 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism Are you for real?? Look, Aids is a very serious illness affecting more than the gay community!! My 11 gay friends that have aids were only engaged in ass sex one time. They admit the anal penetration is not all that it is cracked up to be. Some of us are offended by your posts suggesting aids is a disease that the gay community is mostly responsible for perpetuating. You are not a normal gay person!!    Report

06-09-2007, 7:25 PM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism so you have 11 gay friends. to assume i am not normal is quite presumptious on your part. i love ass sex more than the thought of preventing aids.    Report

06-11-2007, 4:22 AM Ciuma Joined on 04-25-2007 Posts 3 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism "Now that I have that out of the way, allow me to opine. First I would like to deal with the word “gay”. It is a label and labels are not conducive to objective thinking. In fact they accomplish just the opposite; they muddle the picture and denigrate the individual as a person. I am a man who prefers the company of males in all ways and also have good friends who happen to be female, true. I do not question the whys of my choice, although I have in the past only to find it belaboring. As Popeye said; “I yam what I yam.”. I need no excuse, wish no exemptions and do not join. And I don’t really give a rat’s ass what Ayn Rand or anyone thinks about it . . . so there!" What we need is to stop judging and especially stop stereotyping. The word "gay" does not have to muddle our thinking, but it does because what people expect it to be is a cage, something neat, simple, concrete. It comes with lots of false connotations because it is not understood in the first place. The word "gay" should be an open word, with a basic meaning, a word open to thought, not connotations. We don't eliminate labels for chemical substances simply because they don't deal with objective thought... If we got rid of the word "gay", all the would happen is you'd instead be described as the man who has relationships of a sexual nature with other men. Still the connotations. The word "man" is a label as well. It is just spouting connotations. "They were in fact simply a reaction to an idea she knew nothing about other than it ran contrary to her personal views about sexuality which, in my opinion, were flawed." Yeah, well, they were just plain ignorant. The U.S. government loves to do that... judge things they know nothing about. :) Cheers for posting your thoughts, instead of your judgments!    Report

06-11-2007, 6:56 AM tjohnson Joined on 05-30-2007 Posts 26 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism So you are suggesting we don't have words for 'sexual orientation' ? Fine with me, let's not ever discuss the matter again!    Report

06-11-2007, 12:07 PM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism I think the word "gay" is a lot better than queer or pervert. don't you? Let's normalize all behavior....murder, sodomy, pedaphelia, beastiality.......we can eliminate all the words so as not to recognize anything......ANYTHING GOES!!! that is my motto! Which is why I like to post on this board along with the other progressives.    Report

06-12-2007, 6:41 AM johndoefus Joined on 06-09-2007 Posts 8 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism I have one question for you, Liberalandgay: If there was a drug to make you straight, would you take it?? As for you being a liberal, I believe there will never be a cure, since that condition is a survival response to never taking responsibility for anything.    Report

06-12-2007, 9:40 AM liberalandgay Joined on 05-02-2007 Posts 23 Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism Dufuss asked:  I have one question for you, Liberalandgay: If there was a drug to make you straight, would you take it?? Answer: No. The truth is all people have choices about their sexual orientation. I would still want to have same sex regardless of the drug. Sex is a mental product. We gay people get turned on by breaking the social rules. This is the same as a person wanting to have sex with a child. You see, if being straight is normal.....then you have to realize that the gay lifestyle is a perversion. But, we liberal progressive gay people get a rush from perversion. Our brains are abnormal.....just like a bank robber or other criminals. Rand is right about what she said with regard to homosexuality, but we gay people don't really care about morality.    Report

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