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Started by xerxes at 10-24-2006 11:05 AM. Topic has 6 replies.

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   10-24-2006, 11:05 AM
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Atlas Shrugged as science fiction
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I define science fiction as any literature that depicts some kind of technology that is more advanced than what is available at the time the story was written. In light of that definition, consider the technologies depicted in AS. Based on the knowledge of nature our science has provided us are these things realistic or fanciful?

Reardon Metal?

Galt's atmosperic static engine?

The device that disintegrates everything in Galt's workshop?

The "mirage device" that hides the valley?

 


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   10-24-2006, 12:17 PM
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Xerxes -- An interesting sidebar on this. A guy named Kerry O'Quinn was the founder of Starlog magazine. I remember when it came out in the mid-1970s seeing references in an editorial to Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged, a very encouraging sign from my young, sci-fi-loving Objectivist perspective.

In 2005 O'Quinn spoke at our Summer Seminar. Turns out he knew Rand. In fact, he described watching the just-discovered copy of the Italian movie version of We the Living on some sort of movie editor looking over Rand's shoulder. He tried to get Rand interested in sci-fi. I think his contention was that her book had sci-fi elements. But she never really took to it.

O'Quinn is now working to make a movie of Anthem.


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   10-25-2006, 1:49 PM
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Yeah, I used to buy Starlog when I was much younger. Is it still published?

Obviously, I think AS qualifies as science fiction. However, it is never marketed in the SF sections of bookstores. It reminds me of Michael Crichton's books. Many of them would qualify as SF but don't appear in that section.

So, what about the original topic of my thread? Are any of these inventions theoretically possible? Where are all the science geeks out there?


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   10-25-2006, 4:40 PM
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I would classify Atlas as an alternate history which of course is a subgenre of science fiction.  Robert Heinlein defined science fiction as:

“Realistic speculation about possible future events, based solidly on adequate knowledge of the real world, past and present, and on a thorough understanding of the nature and significance of the scientific method."

For alternate history you would just replace “future” with “past”.  True science fiction novels in a way prove they belong in that genre; they attempt to explain not just what the technology is but how it works, (it doesn’t actually have to work, just be plausible).  Technology in science fiction is an integral part of the story; in Atlas it’s a plot device to demonstrate Rand’s point.  She does it well but in the end you could remove all of the advanced technology and the story would basically be the same.  On the other hand, try removing the Enterprise from Star Trek and see what you have left.
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   03-16-2009, 12:23 PM
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I tried to post in this thread last week and it did not work.

This is a test post.
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   03-16-2009, 4:36 PM
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Hi xerxes,

While the potential of inventions like those clearly belong to the future...

...the process of human innovation by which they come about as described in Atlas Shrugged is ~dead on~.

Take Care,

Greg
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   09-07-2009, 11:44 AM
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Hello Xerxes,

None are fanciful, actually.

I explain why.

The Rearden Metal, and the 10 years of researches undertaken by Henry Rearden might take place today in the frame of a new science known as nanotechnology, which allows the making of new material by molecular building at an atomic scale. It didn't exist during the 50's, but it does today and led to the discovery of new experimental materials whose characteristics supersede those of steel, indeed.

The motor of John Galt is an idea Ayn Rand found in the works of Nikola Tesla (1856-1943), one of the greatest inventors ever who truly undertook some experiments around this possibility during the late XIXth century. Nikola Tesla was said to be extraordinarily gifted, as John Galt is, and you will be struck by the following (excerpts I took on Wikipedia):

“In 1899, Tesla decided to move and began research in Colorado Springs, Colorado, where he would have room for his high-voltage, high-frequency experiments. Upon his arrival he told reporters that he was conducting wireless telegraphy experiments transmitting signals from Pikes Peak to Paris.

Tesla also investigated atmospheric electricity, observing lightning signals via his receivers. Reproductions of Tesla's receivers and coherer circuits show an unpredicted level of complexity (e.g., distributed high-Q helical resonators, radio frequency feedback, crude heterodyne effects, and regeneration techniques). Tesla stated that he observed stationary waves during this time.”

The nature of the works of Nikola Tesla also suggests that it problably inspired Ayn Rand about the field of researches of Docteur Robert Stadler (formerly John Galt professor of physics at the College Patrick Henry), as well as the the special radio transmitter John Galt uses to air his speech while simultaneously jamming all other radio and television stations.

Remember when she is discovering the remnants of the motor in the laboratory of the Twentieth Century Motor Company, Dagny remembers something similar and previously undertaken long ago, but not finished for wants of a solution and then abandoned, that she had read in some books while she studied in college. Ayn Rand does not name Nikolas Tesla, in this paragraph, but it is suggested thus way.

About the device that disintegrates everything, Ayn Rand's description of the secret laboratory of John Galt in New York suggests a giant microwave. For, you'll notice that Ayn Rand wrote at some point that the walls and ceiling of this laboratory are full covered with plate of a sort of soft metal, whose raison-d'être might be to reflect microwaves inside. About this, I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me some day that Ayn Rand heard about Alfred Loomis who built a secret laboratory in his house of Tuxedo Park (near New York City) during WWII, where he led many experiments around microwaves that led, between other things, to the making of efficient radars.

Now, about the “mirage” that hide the Galt Gulch, I guess that it is not difficult to find the similarity and effects of this device with the making of holographic pictures. Ayn Rand descriptions strongly suggest a giant holographic projector (whose original picture used as false bottom is a view of an authentic scenery located near the Galt Gulch, as John Galt explains it to Dagny at some point.)

I will ad to your list the Project X (aka Xylophone, aka Thompson harmonizer) whose description suggest, once more, the experiments of Nikola Tesla, but for the fact that Ayn Rand is talking about "sonic waves", although the effects on the target (the farm) rather suggest a beam of microwaves.

So, as a conclusion, let's say that all futuristic inventions introduced in Atlas Shrugged never come from free imagination, and are, on the contrary, inspired by authentic researches that really took place. This fits a pattern as all other facts pertaining to other field such as economy and psychology introduced in Atlas Shrugged are true (All aspects of the mind of James Taggart fit perfectly, and without any discrepancies, the exacts symptoms and psychological patterns of Narcistic Personnality Disorder, as example).


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