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Started by humptydumpty at 04-04-2007 9:27 AM. Topic has 91 replies.
  
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 04-04-2007, 10:01 AM
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Mr Squiggle
Joined on 04-04-2007
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Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism
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matt - do you and your partner engage in anal sex? if not, please describe in detail what you and your partner do for sexual gratification? this is the "disgusting factor" Rand was referring to, which is ALWAYS left out of the gay representations as to what they do. for instance you talk about your profession and friends. we want to know about your sinful and disgusting behavior when evaluating morality. if you are offended by my question, then it is evidence you are engaging in immoral behavior. |
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Humpty, are you going to offer any rational arguments for your comments? The most important principle of Rand's philosophy is that no statement or argument has any weight or moral force unless it is rational and logical. You have not given any rational argument for anything you have said. Rand herself made it very clear that she was opposed to any type of baseless discrimination, which homophobia is unless you have some rational basis to back it up. Rand never gave any rational argument against homosexuality, probably because there isn't one. So, please enlighten us. Or can you only use words like "disgusting" and "sin"? Given that those are words based on feelings, hatred, religion and irrationality, not rational thought, I wouldn't be surprised if that is all you have to contribute to the discussion board. Or are you just a wind up?
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04-04-2007, 12:02 PM
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NickOtani
Joined on 04-21-2006
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Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism
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humptydumpty, you referred to Rand's view of homosexuality as "valid and accurate". If it is "valid", you should be able to demonstrate this. Show us how her conclusion validly follows from premises. Then, show us how it is accurate. I'll accept a correspondence to a truth supported by scientific research. If you can't do that, concede that "validity" has nothing to do with unsupported claims and that this claim is just an opinion, not an accurate fact.
Good for Mat and Mr. Squiggle. I agree with them. I think we can talk about the immorality of initiating physical force against others, but what two consenting adults do with each other is nobody's business but theirs.
BTW, several great philosophers and writers were homosexual. They have contributed to our knowledge and happiness.
bis bald,
Nick
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04-04-2007, 3:16 PM
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Mr Squiggle
Joined on 04-04-2007
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Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism
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| humptydumpty wrote: | |
humptydumpty replies: same kind of answer i would expect from a pedophile or person engaged in beastiality. rand was right, your behavior is a defect, and disgusting.
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Humpty, I would ask you (again) to justify your comments, but that would be giving an idiot and a wind up too much attention and credit. It is because of people like you that decent people avoid bulletin boards. Your comments are rude and offensive. I am guessing that you are the kind of person that gets his jollies out of abusing other people on the net, the kind of person that thinks it is cool and enjoyable to insult others and make them feel bad. That is because abusing power makes you feel good. You are the kind of person that gets gratification out of the suffering of others. That makes you small and contemptible. Go away. I suggest to other readers not to reply to this person because it will only make him worse.
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04-04-2007, 3:26 PM
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MattJ
Joined on 02-12-2007
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Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism
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poor humptydumpty...the teetering egg about to fall off the wall and crack, slopping useless ooze all over the place, go away you filthy backward cave dweller.
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04-04-2007, 3:28 PM
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humptydumpty
Joined on 04-03-2007
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Mr. Squiggle writes:
You are the kind of person that gets gratification out of the suffering of others. That makes you small and contemptible. Go away. I suggest to other readers not to reply to this person because it will only make him worse. Humptydumpty replies: you suffer from "shoot the conservative messenger" syndrome just like all liberal "progressives". here is Ayn Rand's own commens again for you: She said that homosexuality is a manifestation of psychological "flaws, corruptions, errors, [and] unfortunate premises" and that it is both "immoral" and "disgusting" ("The Moratorium on Brains," Ford Hall Forum Lecture [Boston, 1971]). I say: The "disgusting" word is the one that is particularly ignored by today's gay advocacy.
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04-04-2007, 3:36 PM
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MattJ
Joined on 02-12-2007
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You are odd. I have nothing more to say on the subject.
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04-04-2007, 4:03 PM
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TOCadmin
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Humptydumpty,
please note that this is your first and last warning. Please tone down the rhetoric and be
respectful to the other members of the board or I will be forced to ban you.
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04-04-2007, 4:36 PM
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humptydumpty
Joined on 04-03-2007
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Re: homosexuality and rand's objectivism
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MattJ wants me off the board. I got this message today from a censor.
Humptydumpty, please note that this is your first and last warning. Please tone down the rhetoric and be respectful to the other members of the board or I will be forced to ban you. MY REPLY: GOOD LUCK ALL - MY VIEWS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE>
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04-04-2007, 5:14 PM
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NickOtani
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| <<<Show us how her conclusion validly follows from premises. Then, show us how it is accurate. I'll accept a correspondence to a truth supported by scientific research.>>>>
my reply: that's silly. i could just as easily ask you something like this: prove to me your mother loves you. you see, when dealing with morality you enter a spiritual realm. i happen to believe rand has it right about homosexual behavior. |
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Yes, but I didn't say that a statement like "my mother loves me" is valid and accurate. You did say this about Rand's unsupported claim. I was simply asking for your support, and you told me to accept her claim or leave it. Yes, I can see Rand's statement is a statement with which you agree, but it is not a conclusion from a valid argument, and it is not supported with credible evidence. There is credible evidence against it, even some of Rand's own ideals about morality and pursuing happiness. I think someone can disagree with her statement and still be a TAS Objectivist.
You have pumped some excitement onto this board, but it won't last if you refuse to debate, if you only use insults instead of arguments.
I'm interested in something else you said, that when dealing with morality one enters a spiritual realm. This is definitely not what Rand believed. Is it what you believe? Do you think we cannot discuss morality without entering into a spiritual realm? Can we not talk about pragmatic morality or rational egoism without being spiritual?
I don't think TOC will ban you if you simply make your points with reason and not insult. They shouldn't. It would be censureship and not something TAS, as David Kelley explains it, would support. You have a right to your view and even a certain amount of passion, but we'd also like to see some reasoned responses.
bis bald,
Nick
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04-05-2007, 6:14 AM
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humptydumpty
Joined on 04-03-2007
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one more comment before leaving this board.........I challenge the board censor to read this entire thread again and witness the personal attacks on me for my posts that were based solely on Ayn Rand's own words. It is so obvious in the mind of todays secular progressive, that only their thoughts have validity. What a bunch of hypocrites! Go play in your own filthy corrupt sandbox, I think progressives lifestyles are corrupt and defective......and so did Ayn Rand. Goodbye.
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