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   09-07-2009, 4:26 PM
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What if we view from a different position?
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The main heroes of AS are honest businessmen who obtain wealth via legal means, i.e. they don't cheat on government. But how can Ayn Rand's philosophy be applied if government deals with businessmen who steal from their government by evading taxes, for example?
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   09-08-2009, 11:18 AM
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Hello, Delayed_flight

You may have a hint about Ayn Rand's opinion on this subject in Atlas Shrugged each time she makes reference to the recourse of straw men in order to hide financial assets illegally earned through the abusive use of governmental directives and related. Ayn Rand does not clearly talk about tax dodging, but the contexts in which the notion of straw men are introduced strongly suggest-to the least-that she makes implicit reference to it.

For example, see the dialogue between Francisco d'Anconia and James Taggart (who is a businessman at this point in plot) in the ballroom of the Wayne-Falkland hotel during the wedding of James Taggart (See Atlas Shrugged, Part. II, CHAPTER II - THE ARISTOCRACY OF PULL)

Francisco bowed to Cherryl and offered his best wishes, as if she were the bride of a royal heir. Watching nervously, Taggart felt relief and a touch of nameless resentment, which, if named, would have told him he wished the occasion deserved the grandeur that Francisco's manner gave it for a moment.

He was afraid to remain by Francisco's side and afraid to let him loose among the guests, He backed a few tentative steps away, but Francisco followed him, smiling.

"You didn't think I'd want to miss your wedding, James—when you're my childhood friend and best stockholder?"

"What?" gasped Taggart, and regretted it: the sound was a confession of panic.

Francisco did not seem to take note of it; he said, his voice gaily innocent, "Oh, but of course I know it. I know the stooge behind the stooge behind every name on the list of the stockholders of d'Anconia Copper. It's surprising how many men by the name of Smith and Gomez are rich enough to own big chunks of the richest corporation in the world so you can't blame me if I was curious to learn what distinguished persons I actually have among my minority stockholders. I seem to be popular with an astonishing collection of public figures from all over the world from People's States where you wouldn't think there's any money left at all."

Taggart said dryly, frowning, "There are many reasons-business reasons-why it is sometimes advisable not to make one's investments directly."

"One reason is that a man doesn't want people to know he's rich. Another is that he doesn't want them to learn how he got that way."

"I don't know what you mean or why you should object."

Soon after this dialogue occurs, in this same chapter, you learn that Francisco d'Anconia punish James Taggart-and all the others of his less or more honest minority stockholders along-by destroying the ore docks of d'Anconia Copper in Valparaiso. As a result, the d'Anconia stocks plummeted.

Otherwise, elsewhere at some point in the story, there is an allusion made about Hank Rearden using straw men and other dubious practices in order to get ore, but it for the sake of the right thing, this time.



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   09-08-2009, 2:50 PM
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Thanks for answering. In my opinion, the type of government Rand depicts in her novel is a far cry from reality. I mean I can't imagine that government can be so stupid that they work out new useless programms (like Equalization bill) and make decisions that absolutely don't make sense. In my opinion, Rand has somewhat exaggerated such a role of government.
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   09-09-2009, 12:55 PM
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Hello, Delayed_flight,

Well, on the one hand it is not that exaggerated, as testify for the numerous cases in history of far-leftists political programs unsuccessfully implemented in various parts of the world. Just remember the numerous jokes you could find in the media about totally preposterous economic and social programs undertaken in Russia, China and elsewhere that ended into disasters, and about which many would have say something as : Hey! But? It was pretty obvious that such absurdity could not work!

But it was done and decided by experts, scholars and top-policymakers, indeed ; not by crackpots living in psychiatric asylums, and that's why everyone, not only accepted it, but took it very seriously, exactly as Ayn Rand describes it in Atlas Shrugged.

On the other hand, yes it is obvious that Ayn Rand decided to exaggerate the scope of some directives and laws, and some of their after-effects, she invented for Atlas Shrugged, but not systematically, so far.

What makes this aspect of the story unlikely is that all blunders and absurdities committed by the looters of Atlas Shrugged are reunited together in a single book that one can read within a month. In other words, it makes a lot to swallow in a so short period. But things turn differently when we witness similar events each separated by “true years”, if I can put it that way. For, time helps us to recover from the shock of similar catastrophes-time helps us accept the unacceptable-and it prepares us to be less surprised, some months or years later, when the next catastrophe occurs.

We may all experience the same psychological phenomenon at an individual scale in our daily life; if,as example, within no more than a fortnight, your car is stolen, your house catches fire, your wife asks for divorce and you get fired from your company. If these 4 events occurs within a so short lapse of time, then I bet you might be brought to believe at some point what you are experiencing is not reality. But if exactly the same events occur within 10 years, then time change everything ; you'll just say: Well, it's too bad, but that's life. It may happen to anyone!

Now, closer to the context Ayn Rand brought upon in Atlas Shrugged, imagine a man living in 1960 in an imaginary country, who, within six months, witnesses a ban on smoking, the appearance of surveillance cameras everywhere, the disappearance of big roomy and comfortable car for small, cheap, and unattractive ones, a spectacular rise on gasoline, a rate of unemployment shifting from 4.5 percent to 10 percent, the appearance in streets of bizarre gangs of violent youngsters ridiculously dressed and listening to music that sounds like ambient noise during the Battle of Stalingrad, and nearly all teen girls dressing like whores, etc-you know all the rest. All this is not only unbelievable, but absurd, far fetched, risible, unlikely to make a good novel because it is plain unrealistic. Beside, if he had to witness all this within 6 months, my man living 1960 would not wait for John Galt to go immediately on strike, gun in hand-but he will not at all if the same chain of events unfolds within 40 years!

Ayn Rand lived in Russia and she witnessed a change in her country of birth that was very hard to figure out to the average American who does not always have enough time and patience to read some dozens of books on political sciences and modern history. With Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand wanted to draw our attention on the dangers of “too much government” in a way that puts such a knowledge within the range of possibilities of the layman. The genius of Ayn Rand has been to make a fiction of it, and not one more of the numerous essays written on the topic; she brought her mind and her knowledge down to the intellectual performances of nearly everyone, and she introduced 5 superheroes in it (Galt, Dagny, Ragnar, D'Anconia and Rearden) and two supervillains (Jim Taggart and Doctor Ferris) who, to some extents, almost remind us of Marvel Comics characters. The negative byproduct of it is that it may sound to some... as no more than a fiction, as "too much to be true". It is not, in reality ; I mean, no more than what said the very serious essay The Year 2000, written in 1967 by the super mind Herman Kahn, as example, in which there no fictional characters. 



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   10-31-2009, 2:25 PM
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(Delayed flight wrote...)
"The main heroes of AS are honest businessmen who obtain wealth via legal means, i.e. they don't cheat on government. But how can Ayn Rand's philosophy be applied if government deals with businessmen who steal from their government by evading taxes, for example?"

If you imply that the government is decent and honest, then it would certainly be wrong...

...but if the government was a fat bloated wasteful corrupt unproductive parasite infested socialist bureaucracy, then the question becomes:

Is it wrong to cheat a cheater?


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